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Offline BobK

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PC Cleaners and Optimizers / Question
« on: March 15, 2014, 03:57:49 PM »
Hello,

If I'm in the wrong forum, let me know and I'll move my question...........

I'm requesting someone share their expert opinion on what types of software should be running on a PC with WinXP to 'Help' it stay clean, optimized, etc.

1)  I have a good 'antivirus' program which runs in real time and also set to scan daily.. For 'malware' I use Malwarebytes which also runs in real time and also set to scan daily..

I've used Ccleaner free version but I feel I need something to replace it that does more than just clean, in fact I think it cleans to much since I'm no expert at picking the right items to untick... And I'm not looking for Free I'm looking for Good/Best.....

I've looked at: Advanced System Optimizer & Power Suite 2014

The problem with finding a good program is that 'so called review sites' are really just hidden affiliate sites and these software companies put up their own review sites under a different URL, plus they promote/review their programs in forums under other names.. 

Tools to diagnose issues and maintain a computer's performance.
Optimize and speed up a PC.
Check for Driver updates (may need be another program)

I think you'll know what type of software I'm looking for,. I just don't know which to trust,
Thank You,
Bob K


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Re: PC Cleaners and Optimizers / Question
« Reply #1 on: March 15, 2014, 06:29:14 PM »
The problem with answering your questions is that there is no single all in one program out there that is going to do what it sounds like you are wanting. There is no silver bullet kind of program.

The best program resides about two inches behind your eyeballs.

If you give us a list of what you want this program to do, we can probably come up with a list of programs to use.  If you are looking for a PCMatic type of program, I don't believe there is one available. At least not one that I would recommend even to my worst enemy.

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Re: PC Cleaners and Optimizers / Question
« Reply #2 on: March 16, 2014, 09:09:04 AM »
Hi Bob K,

In addition to what Hoov posted, I'll just add that I feel that you are safer sticking with CCleaner's default settings, and not using the Registry Cleaning component.

Regarding UniBlue's Power Suite 2014, I usually recommend checking WOT for the reputation of any vendor that you consider using software from.: https://www.mywot.com/en/scorecard/www.uniblue.com. Some of these " speed up/power" tools may be considered PUP's.
"Uniblue SpeedUpMyPC 2014 it’s technically not a virus, but it does exhibit plenty of malicious traits, such as rootkit capabilities to hook deep into the operating system, browser hijacking, and in general just interfering with the user experience. The industry generally refers to it as a “PUP,” or potentially unwanted program."  http://malwaretips.com/blogs/uniblue-speedupmypc-2014-removal/

I'm not fond of Advanced System Optimizer because I've known cases in which that was too aggressive and created problems. It too attempts to "clean" the registry.
See here:
http://forums.lenovo.com/t5/Security-Malware-Knowledge-Base/Do-I-Need-A-Registry-Cleaner/ta-p/1441469
http://forums.lenovo.com/t5/Security-Malware-Knowledge-Base/Is-Your-Anti-Malware-Finding-a-PUP-What-Is-It/ta-p/1441391

As time goes on and XP ages, the tools will be built to work with newer operating systems, and may not even work as well on XP as they did in the past.
In my situation, I am taking my XP computer offline and using it for only offline work and games for my family.

There are some additional suggestions and links listed in this discussion that might help you with your XP  decision: http://en.community.dell.com/support-forums/virus-spyware/f/3522/t/19565279.aspx
« Last Edit: March 16, 2014, 09:12:28 AM by Bugbatter »

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Re: PC Cleaners and Optimizers / Question
« Reply #3 on: March 16, 2014, 03:05:58 PM »
Thank you both for your input !

I didn't think there was a Good 'All-in-One' program, but I thought I'd ask anyway...

I am going to stick with my paid versions on AV Trend Micro Maximum Internet Security and Malwarebytes Pro..

As far as WinXP goes, I'm holding off on upgrading to a new OS on my machines until Win-9 is released.  I don't like win8 and instead of upgrading to win7 which has been around awhile I've heard some good things about 9...

I do have a few questions:

1)
I have also installed a trial version of CCleaner which is the paid version but I have not purchased it as of yet:
a) For real time and scheduled clean-ups is the paid version any better than the free (if you know)?

2)
I'm guessing by your one comment - your against registry cleaners and so-called optimizers?

3)
I am looking for 2 other programs if you can recommend any (only to use every now and then):
a) An all around "Hardware Driver" update program?
b) And a "Start-up" optimizer or similar (if there is a trusted one)?


Thank  you both,
Will hopefully be looking  forward to your replies,
Bob K

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Re: PC Cleaners and Optimizers / Question
« Reply #4 on: March 16, 2014, 03:36:54 PM »
1. To be honest, I have no clue. I have only used the free version of CCleaner.

2. You are correct. Most malware removal experts do not like them. To use them effectively you have to know about the registry. But if you know about the registry, then regedit is enough to do what you need.

3a. Still looking. Have not seen one yet that works well. The problem most of them make is they only check for updated drivers, with no regard as to the situation the hardware is in. Some drivers have problems in certain configurations. On top of that, when upgrading drivers you should do one, and then see how well the system handles it. The last driver updater I tried caused me to format and reinstall Windows. It caused way to many problems.

3b. Not in the way you mean. Mike Lin writes a program called Startup Control Panel that I used on XP. He recently pulled down his website as all his software was written for XP. But you can still get it thru web.archive.org. It provides and easy way to see almost all software that is starting up with windows. And simply unchecking a box stops this. You still have to research on your own to see what the software is, and if you should run it or not.

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« Reply #5 on: March 16, 2014, 04:09:35 PM »
Hi,

Seems like we have run accross the  same issues:

2)  I use run>regedit but I always feel like I'm missing keys that should be removed.  Some of my problems in the past with auto registry cleaners was that at times they remove working/needed keys, then weeks or months later software programs or portions of them don't function correctly..  I've had this also happen with 'left in file' cleaners and duplicate 'dll' cleaners..

3a) Last one I tried replaced a few with the wrong upgrade version. and I had to go back to recover the old driver.  I guess doing them by hand one at a time is the safest..

3b) Thanks for the tip, I'm looking into 'Startup Control Panel" looks like it will help a lot..

Thanks agaiin Hoov,

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Re: PC Cleaners and Optimizers / Question
« Reply #6 on: March 16, 2014, 06:06:07 PM »
For anyone else reading this, do not mess with the registry if you do not know what you are doing. You can turn your computer into a brick requiring a full reinstall or expert help to fix it. This is not an area for experimentation. Go play with a mad bull instead. It is safer.

Regedit can be a bit cludgey, especially when you are trying to dig out a recently installed program that did not live up to its reputation. There is one tool I use occasionally that does help a bit. It is called Regalyzer. Regardless of its name it does not do the analyzing for you. It just gives you a suite of search tools that allow you to search a bit more focused.

There are some other tools out there that have slicker interfaces, but this is a nice simple tool that does what I need.

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Re: PC Cleaners and Optimizers / Question
« Reply #7 on: March 17, 2014, 07:38:16 AM »
I like the way Regalyzer displays the keys and I might try it in the future..

Thanks for all your advice and have a good day,
Bob K

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Re: PC Cleaners and Optimizers / Question
« Reply #8 on: March 17, 2014, 07:49:34 AM »
If you have any questions about how to do something, or find out what is going on, just come back and ask. We would much rather guide you in trying to optimize your computer than trying to walk you thru recovering your computer. It is much easier.

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Re: PC Cleaners and Optimizers / Question
« Reply #9 on: March 17, 2014, 08:00:36 AM »

OK, thanks for everything :)