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Re: CastleCops - Update
« Reply #15 on: December 27, 2008, 03:07:01 PM »
I surely learned a lot about security and many tips and fixes from all the volunteers there....Thank you...

I also learned that some people actually freak out over Bison.....  :D




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Re: CastleCops - Update
« Reply #16 on: December 27, 2008, 03:56:55 PM »
lol, yeah, I never got the whole story behind that. Shipping bison from Ohio to the west coast is like carrying coals to Newcastle, it seems.

I kept thinking of the scene from Dancing with Wolves when Stands with a Fist was hanging strips of bison out to dry in the sun.

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Re: CastleCops - Update
« Reply #17 on: December 30, 2008, 05:02:03 AM »
Sorry to bring this up again.

Article, URL:  http://www.darkreading.com/security/attacks/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=212700105

I do not understand why people assume that there was an issue with the volunteers. 
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Re: CastleCops - Update
« Reply #18 on: December 30, 2008, 06:04:38 AM »
I didn't read it as an issues with volunteers, more as a lack of funding.
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Re: CastleCops - Update
« Reply #19 on: December 30, 2008, 08:46:01 AM »
Let the pundits think what they will.  We know the truth.
  

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Re: CastleCops - Update
« Reply #20 on: December 30, 2008, 09:14:27 AM »
I didn't read it as an issues with volunteers, more as a lack of funding.
I agree - I read it as a (perhaps badly worded) statement that while people will work for free, those who benefit have no incentive to pay anything.
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Re: CastleCops - Update
« Reply #21 on: December 30, 2008, 10:09:09 AM »
Quote from: Faith
I do not understand why people assume that there was an issue with the volunteers.
Quote from: Cudni
I didn't read it as an issues with volunteers, more as a lack of funding.

I agree with Faith. I note the following,
Quote from: David Ulevitch, founder of OpenDNS and PhishTank
"It's hard to keep a volunteer effort that asks so much of their volunteers going over the long course."
Asks so much? Who the heck is this guy? He obviously knows nothing, unless by "so much" he means the asking price for two new servers, which was a bit high, IMO. But that did not deter those who still wished to contribute by volunteering their valuable time helping others. The facts are, it is hard to keep a volunteer effort going when the venue for doing the volunteer work has a better chance of being off-line than on, and when on, running at a sick snail's pace - for the better part of the last two years! For someone intent on helping someone, it was nerve wracking typing a technical procedure knowing my submit may never take. Thank God for canned text and Fass Forum Post Editor. Things would be TOTALLY different had someone in-the-know broke silence - not talking fuels rampant rumors and speculation - that was a bad decision. I would have accepted something like "We apologize for the performance issues and lack of information. Current contractual negotiation agreements prohibit disclosures at this time." I would not have liked it, but I would have accepted it - I understand NDAs.

For me personally, I was reluctant to start helping someone because I feared leaving them in the lurch at a critical point. As I moved on to other sites, besides finding CC staff, I found many posters that tried CC, but moved on too when they could not connect, or no one had answered their questions because the site was down, again, and again.

In spite of my views of the management decisions of the last two years, especially for not answering the call to split the forums (by far, IMO, the greater loss) from *IRT so both would not fail, I am not forgetting that badguys affected the devastating DDoS attack in February 2007, from which CC never recovered. Let's not forget their most lethal weapon was, and still is, compromised computers - computers owned by thieves (pirated and infected software users) and naive or careless users who fail at "practicing safe computing" - they do not keep their systems patched, updated, scanned and blocked, then visit a hacked site, or (by chance or willfully) a site badguys wallow in (illegal porn, P2P, gambling, etc.).

And while I was typing the above, once again, Corrine comes in and says it best,
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Let the pundits think what they will.  We know the truth.
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those who benefit have no incentive to pay anything.
Incentive to some may seem like "pressure to donate" to others - not the reason folks seek out free help. The ancient concept of  "forums" remains the same today, a venue for the "free" exchange of information (although I do appreciate, but would not cherish the view from the one that has to pay the bills). Those who benefit do spread the word to their friends, and many stick around to help someone else. That's the community side - a good thing as it brings in fresh ideas to ponder from different angles, and new problems to challenge our skills. Sites that pressure or require fees for full access do not have the same feel.
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Re: CastleCops - Update
« Reply #22 on: December 30, 2008, 10:48:40 AM »
Digerati hit it on the head. The problem isn't that it's hard to keep a volunteer effort going. The volunteers were the ones complaining bitterly that they couldn't donate more time.

The problem is the unpleasant real world realities like hosting, legal expenses, hardware, etc., that have to come out of somebody's pocket. CC could have raised the money they needed in a heartbeat if they had formed a nonprofit corporation, but that would have meant the Laudanski's could not retain control beyond initially choosing a board of directors from people whose judgment they trusted and creating a charter that restricted activities that they hoped to prevent. Nobody owns a 501(c)3, and no one but the current board members have any control over the choice of future board members nor over the choice of personnel to manage the site. I think we all saw how difficult it was for them to delegate control over basic maintenance on the site to other admins. It was their baby, and they weren't ready to put it up for adoption.

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Re: CastleCops - Update
« Reply #23 on: December 30, 2008, 02:32:45 PM »
Article, URL:  http://www.darkreading.com/security/attacks/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=212700105

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"It's hard to keep a volunteer effort that asks so much of their volunteers going over the long course."

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Re: CastleCops - Update
« Reply #24 on: December 30, 2008, 05:48:49 PM »
Corrine said it best, yet again.   :)

Those who benefit do spread the word to their friends, and many stick around to help someone else. That's the community side - a good thing as it brings in fresh ideas to ponder from different angles, and new problems to challenge our skills. Sites that pressure or require fees for full access do not have the same feel.

That is so very true.
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Re: CastleCops - Update
« Reply #25 on: December 31, 2008, 02:27:26 AM »
Just to clarify, I was referring to the companies and corporations that benefit from our volunteer activities but don't wish to pay for those benefits.  Helping individuals is a different matter and I, for one, don't expect anything in return.
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Re: CastleCops - Update
« Reply #26 on: December 31, 2008, 06:48:24 AM »
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Let the pundits think what they will.  We know the truth.

I totally agree with this, Corrine.

People who know only bits and pieces about the Castlecops' effort make some assumptions that seem way off-base to many of us who were behind the scenes as regular volunteers.

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« Reply #27 on: January 09, 2009, 05:19:04 PM »
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« Reply #28 on: January 09, 2009, 10:10:52 PM »
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Re: CastleCops - Update
« Reply #29 on: January 10, 2009, 06:22:16 AM »
Thanks.   :)

The StopBadware announcement was one that I missed.  I see this thread as a place to record the different URLs for historical purposes.
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